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If you don’t get why XP is better then you’re not going to be much of an IT professional….
I’m in IT, and I don’t get why XP is better… Because it isn’t. My job has been easier since we upgraded.
Yeah, XP held its own for a loooooong time but Win7 is just better. Especially since it has XP mode that works so well. I have a laptop with a large monitor that sits in front of me. I run XP mode on the large monitor because my programming suites are older (embedded stuff, not VIsual Studio) and don’t work in a 64-bit environment and I have my win7 desktop on the laptop screen beside it. Beautiful.
I was an XP fan for a long time and I truely had to be convinced to get away from it. Try Win7/64 yourself. You will like it.
If your reason to upgrade from XP to windows 7 is to avoid IE 7, you shouldn’t be using a computer.
While the person running the lab is clearly massively under-qualified, as a future IT professional you also will need to learn some details on when and why to upgrade. In any business or company there actually needs to be a need beyond “this is a decade out of date” in order to encorage it to be upgraded. Even ignoring software costs, the cost of an upgrade can be huge, X number of windows licenses + X increased number of support calls from people who don’t know how to use it, plus most likely costs of any and every proprietary apps that may or may not handle the upgrade etc…. Bottom line unless you can directly show how the upgrade will greatly increase productivity, you will not be able to get clearence for an upgrade.
Thank you.
“Because Windows 7 is shinier and newer” is not a valid option.
If everything’s running on Windows 95, then I feel for you. Actually, I don’t, because if you can’t come up with a worthwhile argument to upgrade from ’95, you deserve all the grayscale hourglasses and lack of USB support.
No, but there are many under the hood things that make Windows 7 worth it especially on new hardware. Its the first decent 64 bit version so you can use >4 GB of RAM. New audio stack and better driver support for new hardware, though most of this stuff came with Vista. Of course if you have old hardware that shipped with XP its usually better off and cheaper to stay with XP.
And the number of those changes that you need in a school environment? 0.
Then tell me why my new Windows 7 laptop disconnects from my home LAN about 20 times a day, apparently randomly. My Windows XP laptops disconnect perhaps once each day. The biggest difference is the operating system, or possibly the network card drivers. WTF is wrong with Windows 7 and/or the Windows 7 NIC drivers that they cannot maintain a wireless connection reliably?
Dude, this has nothing to do with XP/Win7 and everything to do with you not knowing how to set up your own network. No shame in that, just don’t try to blame what isn’t at fault. My Win7 machine is on wireless networks all the time at work, home and customers’ sites and literally never drops when a signal is available.
…New audio stack…
And here’s a future non-IT person. Care to share which cubicle farm cares whether an audio stack is “new”, or even functional? 64-bit? MUAHAHAHAHA…good times.
Information Techology: An entire profession dedicated to wringing every last drop of productivity/investment out of hardware/software, no matter how pointless it may seem.
>4GB RAM? The average worker in any business does not need anything near 4GB. Email, office suite, web browser=95% or more of any given workforce’s needs.
Ya, and the computer that runs Win XP fine, will more than likely not run Windows 7, which means all the money that you just spent on Win 7, you now have to spend 4 – 5 times more than that to buy new equipment.
If your business is still running ’95…how are you still in business???
Granted, I used to work for a plastic fabrication small business and our CNC milling machine was run on Windows 3.1!!
All the other computers were fairly up to date, though.
I had this same situation at a place I worked at. Everything was XP on the network except for a 3.1 machine that ran the brazing oven. Nothing wrong with not changing a tool that works.
Agreed. I think Windows XP is fine for many labs until April 8, 2014. After then, it is always critical to get rid of XP, unless there is no possible way for any communication to ever occur through the internet, a LAN, or a flash drive.
Assuming that MS doesn’t delay that cutoff, like they already have a few times now.
Hurry and graduate and get a job while you still know everything! Go go go!
But they can’t. See the related thread below where one of their peers cry about needing a job to get experience, and experience to get a job, as if they were the first job-seeker to discover this!
Gotta love the entitlement generation.
That’s what internships and co-ops are for. I put in over two years of work before graduating by using school programs to get low-paying jobs that gain lots of experience.
Gotta love judgemental uptight people who can’t take a joke.
XP still has 2 years of supported lifecycle left… hold on and you’ll be able to upgrade straight to Windows 8 or maybe even 9… or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
Ubuntu 10.04
codenamed LTS -.-’
The trouble with 10.04 LTS is that by that point, it will already have been out of support for a year.
Our area’s schools got windows 7 a while back, it can’t be that hard to upgrade.
Who’s talking about difficulty? Ever thought of price and practicality? The phrase “Don’t fix what isn’t broken” comes to mind…
It’s not hard to screw in a lightbulb either, but look how many incandescent filament based bulbs you see when you could have CFLs.
My high school runs XP with Microsoft Office 2003. It’s worse though, the elementary school not far away has brand new everything and has laptops and maybe even tablets for every class room.
The only browser we can use on our computers is IE 6…be thankful.
I really like that ragegasm face in the last panel, but the inception face kind of baffles me.
You don’t upgrade just because you can.
At least you don’t have Windows Vista, because then things would suck-ass-big-time, at least from a developers point-of-view… XP is just old, but its actually not that bad. Quite a neat and lean OS, in fact. And quite solid at that. And I mean really.
p.s. Oh yeah, computer science teachers were idiots in the late ’80ies too. Nothing new there… Fortunately, I didn’t attend classes, because otherwise I would have ended up as an accountant or football-coach instead of the enterprise-it-god-systems-architecture-consultant-and-generally-super-duper-guy I am today. Okay, skip the generally-super-duper-guy part…
upgrading to windows 7 makes increase office productivity massively. it allows workers to write AND send simple emails, make spreadsheets, do the documents, see through that bar thing at the top of a window so they can be reminded what their desktop looks like. and it only costs ~$600 per computer for hardware and man hours
As others have said, you shouldn’t upgrade your OS just because you can, but they do need new tech. More than anything, they need new hardware, as the school I’m in has incredibly slow everything. It takes forever to log on, forever to open IE (they’ve disabled running programs from flash drives, so no FF/Chrome), forever to load a word processor, and forever to load a web page. More than anything, they could use a good defragging and registry cleaning, but the tech won’t do it.
Let’s tally up what needs to be new/upgraded (based on my user experience):
More RAM
Better processor (maybe AMD instead of another space-heater Intel)
New monitors, so we can actually read things (degaussing it does nothing)
New server
Better router
Better network cabling
Open-source word processor, so we don’t need to pay $100+ to have document compatibility between the school and home, or until we learn how to save as new document type. Oh, yes, but if we do that, we are restricted to the most basic of formatting
Someone in the server room who actually knows what they’re doing
As any Memebase-esque human, still stuck in high school, would say:
“EVERY. SINGLE. DAMN. HIGH SCHOOL. IN A NUTSHELL!!!!!”
My high school (if you can call it that) has upgraded to 7 since 2010.
:freddiemercury:
Yes, Windows 7 is a better OS. Does that mean you should use it? No, especially if you are doing “I.T.” and have to deal with the unwashed masses and the inevitable onslaught of dumb questions and “problems” that is guaranteed to happen. Obviously, still not clear on EXACTLY what the actual job of someone in I.T. really is. And this is where you fail.
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I have 2 laptops and a desktop running seven, and one desktop that runs XP just to use the 5 grand worth of programs that I occasionally use and don’t want to replace just because I can, and it does the job just fine.
Upgrading generally costs money.
We recently upgraded my company to Win7 and it was a nightmare. I am the only IT guy so we contracted out most of the work. We planned on rolling everything out over a holiday weekend. That Tuesday literally nothing worked! It took a few 70 hour work weeks, but we’ve finally got 90% of the bugs worked out. Our biggest problem was getting some stuff to work with 64-bit systems. As a result, we still have a couple of PCs running XP for some of our equipment. My next big project is updating our 20 year old phone system to IP phones and also making everything IPv6 compliant.
Dude… XP Mode.
you know what? we try to upgrade your systems. Australian public schools are in the process of rolling out the windows 7 SOE. only problem is, back at headquarters, we’re too busy raging at the fact that some school IT admins can’t for the life of them provide us with details!
NO NEW SOFTWARE FOR YOU.
I think many people here are missing the point that the IT teacher doesn’t know the difference between a word processor and an Operating System