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It’s called volunteering and usually works fine for charities.
But hardly convincing from cheap people. Often for photographers, people wanting free service offers to let the photographer use the shots in part of his or her portfolio, or similar nonsense. This is why the photographer put out this Craigslist “ad”.
It’s called “cheap bastards who feel entitled to everything for free” and it happens every day in videography and photography. People sorely overestimate the worth of their s**t work and expect professionals to fall over each other for the chance of working for “exposure” (which means f**kall).
It’s sarcasm. People always seem to expect creative types to do their work for free. Specifically, many newspapers/magazines/etc will ask photographers to do an assignment or two without pay before deciding whether to hire them or not. In some (all?) jurisdictions it’s actually illegal, but they always con some people into doing free work for them – often with the lame excuses provided in this ad.
Just check out clientsfromhell.net
Yep. Half the people who find out I’m a digital artist ask me to do their websites for them for free and I don’t even specialize in web work.
Dude can you do my facebook page?
^ THIS ^ LOL
Whether it’s on your income or your schedule, people always seem to assume the creative types have nothing better to do than cater to the convenience of others. A friend of mine is a tradesmen who works in tile, does amazing murals, and he constantly has customers ask him if he can come over and work on the weekends so they can watch him work. They don’t want him to use the work week and work during the day at the same hours they enjoy at their day job, they want him to re-schedule his week so he can come in on his days off to perform like a trained monkey while they relax an their days off. Sounds grand, don’t it?
Some photographers / videographers are crazy expensive though, so much so that many find it hard to get a good paying client. My fiance and I are having a simple wedding, all handmade items (I’m pretty crafty with my hands, which is how I snagged a girl and held on to her, heh heh). Her best friend is spending more money on the photographer and videographer than my wedding totaled.
Well, do not know how much she is spending. But you probably want to photographer to be there all day. And deliever loads of prints.
I guess that’s not an inexpensive service. I am not a photographer by profession. But I have to say, I would want to get around 20€ per hour at least, should probably be 30 or 40.
So if you calculate 12h of work. That would be between 240 and 480€ just for labor. Plus copies, plus the video guy.
I would astimate 1000€ inculding copies.
If you go for a photografer with a really reputation probably more.
I am a photographer. Most people don’t realize all the work that goes into photographing your weddings. I meet with and chat with my clients numerous times before the wedding. I photograph the wedding. I spend hours after the wedding going thru the images and editing. I always do an engagement session and spend hours editing those photos. Plus I spend time taking orders etc. Not to mention the time I spend creating a timeline and checking out venues for my clients. Plus the time I spend designing and planning albums. I start out at 1850 us dollars for a 6 hour wedding. And I should be charging more for the amount of time I put into making sure I create happy clients. There is definitely a reason why we charge what we charge!
$1850 is incredibly cheap.
Why is it that people don’t realize that wedding photographers are only getting paid for the time spent shooting (sometimes with travel time if the wedding is far away) and are not getting rich on the 6 – 12 hours per week that they are actually getting paid?
If you have equipment that costs thousands of dollars (sometimes tens of thousands) and a studio or shop front you have to make enough to pay for it at the same time that you earn a living.
But people don’t have weddings 5 days a week. So figure the average wedding photographer shoots (gets paid to work) 40 – 50 days a year if they’re doing well and if no one cancels on them.
Out of their *huge* fee they have to pay their assistant(s), buy supplies, pay for web design and web hosting, pay for advertising on TheKnot.com and in magazines and newspapers, pay for that equipment, pay for that storefront or studio. And if they’re lucky they get to keep a gross income of $60,000 out of which they have to pay private medical insurance ay $1200 a month, the regular income taxes everyone pays plus unemployment insurance and the employer’s half of Social Security and Medicare.
Then the other days of the week they meet with clients and potential clients (hours spent for no pay), update their website, edit wedding photos, create albums, drum up new business, etc.
Another thing about professional photgraphers: To to dozens of people on the internet who think that buying a semi-nice camera means you’re suddenly a talented photographer: You’re wrong. And not only are you wrong, you’re not worth $200 per hour for someone to take pictures everyone could do themselves. That annoys the crap out of me.
even if the photogarpher is at the wedding for only a few hours, there is still the editing of the photos that they have to do. this takes a LOT of time! I usually shoot over 1000 images for a wedding and give the couple 600-700. i have to go through all the images and take out the ones where someone is blinking, making a “derpy” face, etc. If it is an important moment but someone is blinking/derpy then i have ty try and fix it.
so, yeah a LOT of time!
How do you jump from “[someone is] spending more money on the photographer and videographer than my wedding totaled” to “[many] photographers / videographers . . . find it hard to get a good paying client”? It sounds like the photographer and videographer were able to to get a good paying clients just fine. Just because you wouldn’t choose to hire them does not mean that nobody would.
Weddings are the absolute worst. People expect you to shoot video for 12+ hours (try carrying a 10-lb sack of potatoes on your shoulder all day long and see how cheerful you feel) and THEN spend 3-4 days MINIMUM editing the footage (yes, “editing”. The camera doesn’t crap out a finished DVD at the end of the day). And all that for $500! Does anyone here survive on $500 a week, gross?
I don’t do weddings anymore, they’re a waste of my time. Let Uncle Bob shoot your ugly bridesmaids on his camcorder.
It applies to writers and pretty much any other artsy type out there as well. “Oh, you write short stories? Will you write up a short advertisement for my place of business? It has to be concise, eloquent and easy to read, but still contain all of these *list of about thirty points* in it. I’ll even pay you 5$!”
Wow, five whole dollars for me to devote my free time to contorting two hundred words to your insane set of specifications?! Well, it’s a solid offer, but I have more important and gratifying things to do, like commenting on memebase, playing video games, or just plain ol’ masturbating.
This is a major win. Same goes with musicians – when I was younger, everyone I’d ever casually met would contact me, one by one, to play trumpet at their wedding. For free of course. Because of course I’d want to do it since we were such good friends.
People always expect I fix their PC’s for free, but when I ask them to fix my car, plumbing, etc they want to charge me full price.
My husband works IT support for a company, and people are always expecting him to come over and fix their computers for free. Of course it is one thing when it’s a close friend or family–but people he hardly knows will call up and expect him to come over at the drop of a hat and work for free. UGH!
That happened to me too a lot. Friends, family and complete strangers approached me (or worse, my relatives) and asked to “fix their ‘puter because it broke after they clicked this link/dropped it off the first story of a building/blablablabla.”
This continued for a while until I started using one word. Just one simple word…
NO.
Oh sure, I got a lot of “why not?” Then I asked them to fix my car/heater/roof/health problem. That usually got the point across.
My job is my job. My loved ones know they can ask me questions and I take a look at their computers, under MY terms. I don’t drive miles and miles anymore to do someone a favor. I don’t spend my entire weekend sitting in front of some gunked desktop that’s full of virusses and trojans.
Take yourself and your loved ones in protection here. If someone asks a favor, immediately ask it back (“Fix my car”). If that doesn’t get the point across, ask them why their job is worth paying for and yours is not.
My hubby is pretty good at saying “no” to such people. We have a friend who runs a auto repair shop and he is pretty good to us about trading professional favors, my hubby will fix his computer and he will give us a good discount on auto repairs. What really annoys my husband is that his own mother will give out his number to her friends when they complain that their computer isn’t working right. Of course she neglects to tell them that he will come over and fix it, for a fee.
I LOVE this post. I’m a massage therapist and people are always trying to get work for free from me. I think if they are not leaving with a tangible product RIGHT THAT SECOND, then they assume the service is valued at less than it actually is.
He’s going to have a long line of homemakers at his door.
Such a service swap might work IF both parties are agreeable to terms. My dad is a gardener, and he’ll swap simple services (mowing the lawn for instance) for a service of comparable value in both his and the other person’s eyes. (When my stepsiblings were living at home, he’d do gardening work for a lady, and her mother would cut their hair at her beauty shop.)
But that is a mutually decided agreement. These people who say, ‘You have [insert] skill!? Will you do this [task] for me for little to no money?’ are just trying to freeload. Just because a skill has no immediate or noticeable effect/result, doesn’t mean it’s not valuable.
It’s like putting in the ton of time to get the education and experience to do the job properly doesn’t even *register* with some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery