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I had the same thought when I saw Windows 8! Good thing I kept my copy of Windows 1.03! When you quit does it display C:\?
lol 25+ years and microshaft have gone backwards except with more colours and higher resolutions. with the way i use computers i wouldnt last 5 minutes with windows 8, im a semi traditional windows user with the trawling through folders and going through the internals, the gaudy crap doesnt do anything for me windows 7 is bad enough but at least it lets me chose the windows (9x/2k) classic look, i dont like the “aero” features
While growing up, I always wondered what it would be like when people of our generation would be like when they got old and grumpy – and although I admit I’d never expected to see this happen so soon, I think I have my answer.
I think you should honestly just uninstall Win 7, and go back to xp – if not Win 95. I think your nostalgia is painting a far better picture of those versions of Windows than what actually existed.
They are trying to make new kids used to it before they know anything.
That’s because they want to make Phone Windows and PC Windows the same, so the limitations on Phone is less visible.
I’ve heard somewhere that in W8 you’ll still be able to set “Classic” view.
You, guys, make me think they gave up that idea, and knowing Microsoft I’m on my way to believe it.
Ubuntu did similar thing with Unity, but you just remove it and go back to Gnome or KDE or whatever you want.
Mepis looks nice but can’t support my WiFi natively and I don’t want to spend time to change Boot and juggle with driver with each update.
Yes, it is easy once you read it. I will do it soon, when amount of work at my workplace comes back down to normal.
I might take Debian itself.
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Everything the average used ever wanted to do in Windows is possible now in Linux. Including most of Windows applications, either as equivalents, or in Wine.
Except ActiveX. There’s no decent IE for Linux.
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No, I don’t think IE is complete trash. It has its limitations, but they are not catastrophic. Some sites still look the best in it.
Luckily, there’s less and less such sites.
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FreeBSD and OpenBSD are also very powerful and useful.
Including the fact that safest and most stable servers on Net use BSD.
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To try Linux you can freely download LiveCD of desired distribution (distro), burn it, and boot from it without any installation. It would run better from own partition on HDD, but this way it changes nothing in your system and data, and you still see what it is and how fast you can learn it or like it.
Some (most) distros have good communities, you can ask anything and quickly get answers on their forums.
I started my own distribution selection by reading several such forums and official sites first. Wikipedia pages also helped.
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You can also get older HDD (10-100GB), remove current one completely to safety, and install Linux, juggle with it, learn how to do your own stuff, and maybe later how to help others.
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Yes, in Linux you can still do lot of things from Terminal (command line), but last few years you are clearly not limited to that, except for some deeper system stuff. But some similar things in Windows are even less accessible, completely impossible, or forbidden by copyright/law.
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It doesn’t mean that in Linux is permitted unauthorized download and distribution of copyrighted materials (music, movies…). You can still get fined/jailed for that.
But to Linux itself you can do whatever you want. And in real life you can say that there are “no viruses”. Developers’ approach to OS is different and security is much better.
The only thing keeping Linux from being successful is the arrogance and douchebagness of Linux users
Thank you, my friend, I will take your opinion into consideration and try to not be one when become more extensive user.
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Maybe there’s an exception to your rule: my boss in private life is good man, you could grab his peace of cake, he wouldn’t be mad. In office is the most arrogant douchebag that I know (I had several bosses before him, none like this). He uses Mac.
On the other hand, my brother-in-law also uses Mac and isn’t douchebag at all.
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Maybe the real problem with Linux is that you have to start with some learning/thinking, and you already know the average kids nowadays. War against teachers is much more interesting ‘video game’.
Now why am I even reading the word “linux” on this web page?
I don’t want you to tell me about how awesome linux is.
I don’t want you to tell me that if linux isn’t as popular as it “should” be, it’s because people suck (well you didn’t *say* that, you implied it).
I want to choose the way I use a computer and I chose windows. Why is this a problem? Does it make me stupid? I don’t think so.
And also, It’s known that linux gives way more “freedom” than windows. But linux users want to force windows users to get linux and (ouch) will say bad things about them if they don’t. Because of this “linux paradox”, I don’t want want to hear about it.
Oh, I also know i’m not at grammar. Not as good as you, at least. That’s probably because I learned english – By myself.
“Except ActiveX. There’s no decent IE for Linux.”
Except, there’s no decent IE for Windows either.
At any rate, it’s always nice to see the obligatory Linux franboy stop in and do their best impression of an Apple “switch” post.
Here’s the deal. Open source is a great thing, don’t get me wrong – and there’s no debating the security of Unix (which is why Linux is so secure), but as far as OS’s go, every distro I’ve seen has either been a Windows wannabe – or quite simply just sucks more ass than someone with a s**t fetish.
And support you say? Riiiight. If a Windows installer fucks up, I can not only find the cause, but a solution within 10 minutes of Google. ‘Make’ fucks up? All you get is about 5 people posting the same issue in a forum – with no solution in sight. Oh sure, the various distros have their own installer package (again, taking everything great about Unix, and Windows-ifying it), but if that screws up, it’s usually the same result.
But wait, there’s more! Why don’t you tell these wonderful people about the fact that most of their hardware won’t have official driver support – if at all. Or the fact that the reason why you’re so hyped up on Wine – is because it’s the only way to actually run industry standard apps. See, OS X has Cider to play games. Linux uses Wine to do pretty much everything. Why? Because otherwise you’re forced to use such awesome apps like OpenOffice or Gimp – which while technically effective, has about as much effort put into UI design, as a baby puts into peeing.
Yes, Linux is secure – but if you have a bit of common sense, and a little understanding of how viruses/spyware works, Windows can be just as secure and virus/spyware free. Unfortunately the majority of people who suffer from viruses and spyware have about as much common sense and know how as a goddamn Lemming. Which is unfortunate for your cause. Because if you don’t have common sense or know how – there’s no way in hell that you’re going to be using any distro for long.
This is one of the main reasons why Linux has been the least popular OS for over 15 years – because the only people who use it as their daily OS, are either broke people with high morale fiber (who won’t pirate Windows) or those douchebags who still think “M$” is an absolutely hilarious way of abbreviating Microsoft, but are too broke to buy a Mac. Because face it, if you want a Unix based OS that’s not only secure, not only has major software support, not only supports a great deal of peripherals, but also is incredibly user friendly and cohesive – then the best solution is to go get yourself a copy of OS X.
2012?
Anybody taking bets on that?
Actually, for those of us who have actually used the Developer Preview of Windows 8, it’s vastly different than 1.03, or even BOB. The idea, in some respects, is similar, but operationally speaking, it’s much nicer. For once, MSoft created an OS that is tablet and PC friendly in both respects. The swiping/gesture functions you would use on a tablet or smartphone are just as easily done with the mouse/keyboard.
Since this is just the developer preview (not alpha, and certainly nowhere near beta-ready), it’s hard to fully gauge what’s going to happen between now and its release. Functionally speaking, the way apps are put into suspended status after inactivity was a good move for MSoft (even if they did take that move from smartphone OS’s). It is sad that you can’t really do too many things to the tiles (other than size down the larger ones, or move them around), but that may be fixed, come alpha/beta releases.
In no way am i a fanboy for MSoft (when XP and vista first came out, i had been making the conversion to Ubuntu, Sabayon, and Redhat distros of linux). However, when win7 hit beta, and they continually stated that they were moving back to their roots of putting the consumer ahead of the business, things got much better. Win7 is a very successful release, and i think they’re making a bold move with 8. I’d like to hope it pays off.
There is one unique prediction floating around some developer places in that more middle-aged adults are going to find windows 8 to be easier to navigate than previous versions. It should be interesting to see if that comes to fruition.
It is much more important to be user friendly, than tablet and pc friendly. What we see for now doesn’t seem like it is.
“Going back to roots” is usually symptom of lack of new ideas.
It WILL be much easier to navigate… between one and another useless functionality.
The easiest way to avoid errors is to avoid anything serious.
Freely resizable/movable windows are one of the very basic elements of productivity. Other is dragging from one to another.
*facepalm*If Cleveland can get away with “We’re Not Detroit,” then North Carolina soluhd be all “We Have Tar Heels, But We Also Have Duke And We Sincerely Apologize To Everyone. We Didn’t Know They Would Be Like That. And Jesse Helms Got Nicer Toward The End So Shut Up About Him.”
Oh agreed. But when you simplify the UI enough, you’ll gain users, and there’s going to be a large percentage of them that will find this easier to use than even windows 7. I know because I’ve already done demonstrations to a class full of web developers, and those in the crowd who are about 40-55 in age like it for the simplicity.
I don’t thinking “going back to roots” shows any lack of originality. The more simple you keep something, the easier it is to refine it. there’s still an incredibly complex OS on its backbone. The metro UI simply takes that OS and presents it in a simpler form. I’d like to see jumplists incorporated into the tiles, but when it comes to streamline efficiency, having your most-used applications at your fingertips wins. And having those tiles heavily interact will be a plus.
Again, i’m no “fanboi” – but this bold gamble that MSoft is taking may very well pay off. Vista, in its idea was awesome. Its execution, however, needed refinement (and that’s what windows 7 really was). Is this going to be a perfect OS? Oh hell no. But taking bold risks count for something.
Impossible? No. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but have you actually used the developer preview? For it not even being an alpha release, it’s not bad. What MSoft is doing is what made linux what it is – they handed the code, the SDK and the know-how to the users before the full release and said “tell us what you can do and what you think”. I think they truly are living by their claim of “we’re turning our focus back to the consumer” they stated years ago.
In all honesty, if you don’t like Metro-UI, don’t use it. They still give you the win7 style view for use. Why did you buy a bigger screen when you can simply buy a second? Honestly, what MSoft is going for is the ability to move between projects, screens, windows, etc without needing a second monitor or bigger screen. Glance n’ Go is moving that process along.
Apple would do well to pay attention to what MSoft did with WP7′s Mango update… some of the features incorporated in it are very good.
They’re making 8 already? The heck.
At least the typefaces got better :/
And yet… still has over 85% of the market when it comes to personal computing operating systems..
And Mac users will STILL want the emulator to run it…
That’s the great lol of it all
What did you expect from Mac users? To want UNIX?
The already have Unix…kinda.
Can’t wait for window 9..
“Boxy design”? It’s called “Windows”. What shape did you expect?
It doesn’t fit on my round monitor.
^LOL
Did you see windows on ships?
On cathedrals?
On space shuttles?
On submarines?
Yeah that’s the thing, I find Microsoft’s attempts to make Windows 7 easier to use have been counter-intuitive. The old taskbar was fine, but then they took away the writing and put all windows of an application onto the same thing so it’s more like some sort of sh**ty Mac interface. Still at least you don’t have to use the tiles on Win8 apparently. Windows XP FOREVAR!!!!!!!1
This^
Exactly. And whoever those people were, that thought and approved of the ribbon interface on the MSOffice, should be mauled.
you do realize you can easily have them look as in XP, with few tweaks of the settings…right ?
personally, I find win7 the best I have used, starting from 3.x back in 94 (wow, time flies eh :/ )
You can just swap into the traditional windows mode, that metro UI is for tablets.
No, it’s for desktops, too. That’s the point of the developer preview. You don’t have a choice when you install it. All of the touch expressions/swips work with mouse and keyboard. It may be more optimal for tablets, but it works on desktop just fine nonetheless.
For what it’s worth, I got my first computer around 1995, with W95, of course. I had tried using W3.0 at work, and didn’t do well with it at all. W95 was great after W 3.0. I actually learned to do “computer stuff.” The W98 came out as and I upgraded. Still better than W95. I kept 98 until it was no longer supported. I really didn’t think W98 was all that better than 95. Then XP, which I finally was able to work through it’s quirky-ness to be able to use. Now I have W7, which is in some ways better than XP and in some ways worse. But overall my satisfaction rating is about the same as it was with XP.
If anyone wants to know I’m 72 years old. And I just re-built a computer with new drives and a re-install of XP, with all the SPs.
Understand you.
I’m 50 y/o computer engineer.
And I discovered that my 82 y/o father adopted XP easier than newer (Vista an Win7).
(Win98SE back then was best for both of us, but won’t work on newer hardware and newer versions of applications.)
My 23 y/o daughter also still likes XP.
Nothing wrong with xp – it’s still generally useful. Albeit there are some things that annoy the hell out of me about it, now that I use 7. Microsoft ended up fixing a lot of long standing UI annoyances with 7 – and while it isn’t perfect by any stretch – it’s definitely a long overdue start.
Oops, Some fuzzy typing going on here. I meant to say that W98 was better, but not much. A side note, it seems to me that W98 was more prone to crashes than 95.
In Win98 you had to install lot of hardware manufacturers’ drivers, some of them were clumsy and “crushability” was hardware dependent. Some drivers had to be “exact” (clean) versions, no older and NO NEWER.
(From end of 1995 until 2004 wife and I ran small PC repair shop. We saw lot of Win98 systems, more than third had hardware interoperability problems.)
I like boxes.
i just know we will be the best of friends
Windows 1 did not support color. Windows 1 also did not support side by side windows, or overlapping windows, for that matter. And the dev preview of Win8 looks pretty impressive.
Xp was good
Vista was crap
7 is good
guess what 8 will be
Going backwards…
XP/2000: Good
ME: Horrible
98/95: Pretty good
3.1: (now) ugly
ME is not an NT based operating system. get it out of my sight.
so…that pattern works out to be..
95 & 98:good
ME: horrible
2000 & xp: good
Vista: horrible
Windows 7 and…. Windows 8: good.
Of course, xp was really only “good” after around SP2 and later – funny how Microsoft taking forever to release a sequel got people to come around.
Its still better than apple, charging thousands of dollars more for weaker machines, its the macbook way
You ever actually tried to USE a Mac Machine? Ungh… It’s miraculous how people actually look at Apple’s HW specs and go all “HERP DERP, weaker machine, HURR hasn’t gat 8,7jiggahertz and gajilion cores”.
Apple computers are NOT slower or inferior. They use different architecture and different pathways. Sure it’s all Von Neumann but Apple has it prety neatly optimised. Most people use too powerful computers (including me), just because we pay the price for being able to replace any single part by ourself. So in other words – PowerPC =/= IBM-PC
Also, about the Win8 look. I don’t get it at all. I saw some presentations online, talked with some M$ developers and… I simply don’t get it. Non-active apps get “suspended”? Soo… We are losing multitasking now or what? Applications are neatly organised into tiles = applications OR windows? Those people who did the presentation mostly showed one-window apps. I have apps that use two, three, or even four windows at one moment (not considering the fact that sometimes I use up to eight apps simultaneously). How will those work? Sure, I can imagine having this GUI on my TabletPC, but on desktop? No, thanks…
lolinix
This is the tablet style mode, you can just swap/boot straight into the traditional windows mode.
herp derp people not checking their facts.